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Founders Continues To Abuse B.H. Carroll

In this article, Brother Bob Ross takes The Founders to task for their continued misrepresentation of B.H. Carroll.

Charles
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"FOUNDERS" SECT CONTINUES TO ABUSE B. H. CARROLL AND HIS VIEWS ON FAITH & THE NEW BIRTH [08/01--2007]

Tom Ascol, head of the "Founders" sect, has posted the letter which he enclosed with the 3000 DVDs which were mailed to Florida's Southern Baptist Convention pastors. He says, "I tried to convey that spirit in the letter that accompanied each packet."

In the course of his letter, Ascol inappropriately uses some names of old Baptists who never taught what the basically non-creedal Presbyterian DVD teaches on the New Birth.

The DVD teaches the Hybrid Calvinist idea that one is "born again prior to faith," which is contrary to historic Calvinism.

In contrast to the DVD, the late Dr. B. H. Carroll, for example, taught the following:

>> (1) Everyone born of God has the right be called a child of God.

(2) But no one has the right until he believes in Jesus.

(3) Therefore the new birth is NOT COMPLETED WITHOUT FAITH."

Page 287 of Volume 10, Part I on The Gospels, An Interpretation of the English Bible.>>

This demonstrates one of the reasons why we insist on often referring to the "Founders" as "FLOUNDERS." As far as properly representing the views of our Baptist ancestors' in theology is concerned, they simply flounder.

They also seem to deliberately ignore what old Baptists taught on the New Birth, and misleadingly use their names and photos to suggest that the "Flounders" are in-line with the views advocated by those old Baptists.

This is not only dishonest and deceitful, but we think it will eventually probably prove to be one reason for the deterioration of the "Flounders" movement within the Southern Baptist Convention. Its future obviously is more likely to be as a separate sect of Hybrid Calvinists who are more Presbyterian oriented than Baptist.

I often receive comments from pastors who express their disapproval of what the "Flounders" are doing. In due course of time, their piffle can only discredit them on a broad scale with Baptists.

posted by Charles @ 5:54 PM