Friday, October 07, 2011

Do Southern Baptists Need A New Name?

Peter Lumpkins has a new article on the name change controversy. Amazing how some of the loud mouths who advocate a name change are Southern Baptists in name only, if that.



At Saturday, October 08, 2011 12:37:00 AM, Blogger Bob L. Ross said...

The name-change idea pops up from time-to-time, same pro and con points of view resurrected. Probably won't happen.

Any more infor, Charles, about where you have been the past few years? Some of us thought you may have been raptured and we missed it!

-- Bob

At Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:39:00 PM, Blogger Charles said...

Brother Bob, Hello!

I can't say much more than what I have already said. I was out of the country for some time.

I like your Reformed Flyswatter blog! I want to read more of it in the coming weeks.

God bless you, Brother Bob. You have exposed more of the Flounders flaws than any man alive.

Do you have Dan Akins "Theology For The Church"? Upon reading it, I was struck by the material on regeneration. I believe I saw some similarities to your writings.


At Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:37:00 PM, Blogger Bob L. Ross said...

Yes, I have the book. I put the following on the Flyswatter about it:

Friday, September 28, 2007

SBC Seminary President Apparently Denies Hybrid Calvinist Heresy

Brother Bob Ross posted this comment today. The Flounders are not going to like it!

It appears that Dr. Akin's book has covered the doctrine of regeneration in detail. I wonder if he has been reading any particular blog on the subject? :-)



Bob to Charles:

A few weeks ago, one of the anonymous bloggers said --

Daniel Akin has edited a new systematic theology that will likely be the new standard text for systematic theology in SBC seminaries: "A Theology for the Church."

I have examined Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary President Daniel L. Akin's book, Charles, and it appears that the book evidently is much more in accord with the Flyswatter's view on the New Birth than with the view of both the "Reformed" pedobaptists and the Hybrid Calvinists of the Flounders group who are greatly influenced by the pedobaptist writers such as Iain Murray, Louis Berkhof, R. C. Sproul, etc.

Although this chapter 12 was written by Dr. Kenneth Keathley of SEBTS and not by Dr. Akin himself, who is the Editor, nevertheless the book mentions Dr. W. G. T. Shedd, for instance, and rejects the common "Reformed" idea about baby regeneration which Shedd expounds. I presume this would also be Dr. Akin's view.

Akin's book also affirms -- contrary to the "Reformed" view of Shedd, Berkhof, and others -- that the Word of God is "the means by which the Holy Spirit imparts the new birth" (pages 740-742).

The book says:
"The Holy Spirit acts as the agent of regeneration, and the WORD OF GOD IS THE INSTRUMENT HE USES . . . the Holy Spirit USES MEANS, and the instruments he employs to achieve regeneration are the gospel (James 1:18, 21; 1 Peter 1:23) and the messengers who share it (1 Cor. 4:15). If the gospel is the means by which the Holy Spirit regenerates, then where the gospel is not available, the saving, regenerating work of the Holy Spirit is also absent. . . .

"Are those who believe in turn born again, or does a person believe because he has been regenerated? Which happens first? . . . the biblical texts seem to come down on the side of conversion resulting in regeneration" (pages 740-741).

The book says "the teaching of Scripture is that regeneration is concurrent, or coincident, with conversion. This means that conversion and regeneration, as events, OCCUR AT THE SAME TIME" (page 742).

While Dr. Akin's book affirms the truth that there is a necessary and preliminary work by the Holy Spirit in a sinner, it is denied that such preliminary work constitutes regeneration (page 743).

How many times have we contended for these exact views on regeneration here on the Flyswatter blog, citing both our Baptist Confessions and our Baptist theologians in support?

It will be interesting, Charles, to observe how the Flounders, Tom Ascol, Tom Nettles, and other Hybrids react to Dr. Akin's book, A THEOLOGY FOR THE CHURCH.

At Friday, October 21, 2011 12:13:00 PM, Blogger Charles said...

Brother Bob, Hello!

I should have known you already covered it. I didn't remember that post. I was reading the book the other day and wondering why Akin is so accepting and promoting of the Flounders and the Nine Marks hyper/hybrid/extreme Calvinists.

I'm told that Nine Marks was all over last's years convention with Akin a big supporter.



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