Sunday, June 22, 2008

Founders' corporate repentance?


This is the week of the Flounders' National Conference, and I think it affords an excellent opportunity for the Flounders to "corporately repent" of their misrepresentation of great Baptists of the past.

Take, for instance, Dr. John L. Dagg, on the New Birth. The Flounders have attempted to incorporate Dr. Dagg into their camp, and have items by him on their website. He is even quoted by Flounders' Board members, such as Tom Nettles, Bill Ascol, and others.

Yet Dr. Dagg did not hold the Pedobaptist Reformed "pre-faith regeneration" theory of the likes of Shedd, Berkhof, Iain Murray, John Murray, R. C. Sproul and J. I. Packer. This theory is a basis of the rejection by the Hybrid Calvinists of the public invitation (see Murray's The Invitation System, page 19; Ernest Reisinger, Today's Evangelism, page 47).

Since the Flounders approve of "corporate repentance," it seems that this National Conference would be an excellent opportunity for the Flounders to acknowledge the error of their way about "regeneration," and repent of the manner in which they have falsely identified with Baptists of the past on this great truth.


RESOLVED, That we urge the Affiliates of the Flounders Ministries to repent of the failure among us to properly represent the views of our Baptist forefathers on the New Birth, or Regeneration, and of our failure to obey Jesus Christ in the practice of lovingly correcting wayward Flounderers who have done likewise; (Matthew 18:15-18); and be it further

RESOLVED, That we humbly encourage Flounders Ministries leaders and servants to support and encourage pastors and churches that seek to recover and implement our Savior’s teachings on the New Birth, even if such efforts result in the reduction in the number of Pedobaptist and Reformed friends of the Flounders; and be it finally

RESOLVED, That we humbly urge the pastors and churches affiliated with the Flounders Ministries to implement a plan to minister to, counsel, and restore wayward affiliates who misrepresent our Baptist forefathers based upon the commands and principles given in Scripture (Matthew 18:15-35; 2 Thessalonians 3:6-15; Galatians 6:1; James 5:19-20).


At Tuesday, July 01, 2008 12:22:00 PM, Blogger Bob L. Ross said...


I have been informed by one who attended all sessions of the Flounders' National Conference that the attendance was "down."

In fact, this person estimated "less than 100" registered for the Conference. He said there's even talk of moving the Conference next year to Florida as a means to attact more attendance. With Disneyworld nearby, there would at least be something more to do than listen to Flounderism propaganda.

What accounts for the decline?

Perhaps more-and-more, people are tiring of the same ole Flounderism catalog of palabber. They can get all of that on the Internet in written form, audio, and video. So why waste money on gas, travel, and Conference expenses?

Also, the theme this year was not one about which the Flounders' type of "Calvinists" become enthused. Rather than a theme which calls for evangelistic effort, the modern-day Flounders' Hybrid Calvinists would much prefer to hear another re-play of "the doctrines of grace."

Some people may even be disillusioned with the Flounders. After all, what does the "Founders Ministries" have to show for itself besides proselytes and 3 dead squirrels since its beginning in 1982?

Nevertheless, only the future will reveal whether or not this Conference did anything substantial to promote "church planting."

At Tuesday, July 01, 2008 3:37:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

We use to attend Founders every year.

It was centrally located in Birmingham Alabama and was easy for most people to get there. The move to Oklahoma made it an financial impossibility and if they move to Florida it will be the same problem.

I love the conference it just has not been where majority can come!


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