Monday, December 03, 2007

Tom Ascol's Judgmentalism Still Intact?

The below is from Brother Bob Ross.



Bob to Charles:

In his most recent comments about the "Bridges" conference, Tom Ascol of the Flounders says:

Another recurring theme is the need to admit and deal with the sad state of many--probably the majority--of our churches. Most Southern Baptist churches are dominated by members who show no signs of spiritual life.

The question is, Charles, how much does a man know about "most Southern Baptist churches" when he does not even know that one is not "born again before faith in Christ"?

Does Ascol has some type of omniscience by which he knows about "most Southern Baptist churches" and their "spirituality"?

This attitude by Ascol demonstrates that, in his case at least, the Pharisaical spirit of judgementalism which characterizes so many in the Flounders movement was not impaired by the recent "Bridges" conference.


At Wednesday, December 05, 2007 10:08:00 PM, Blogger Rev. said...

"Regrettably I have to believe that anytime you stand up and face a congregation these days in the average church you're looking at 30-40% that have never been born again and are not genuinely saved.... I'm talking about in Baptist churches where we supposedly emphasize nothing in the world but regeneration. Lord knows what it is in some others, but I think that's true of us and I think it's because we have been very careless. We've been more concerned about numbers to report to the denominational press than we have been about genuine conversion. So, yes, I'm very concerned about it. Matter of fact, I've got to where, going into churches, I preach hardly anything else but the new birth anymore from one of 18-20 passages that I work from, just because I'm so concerned about that. So, yes, I do share your concern about that. It can't be any other way for us to have as much of the world in the pew as we presently have."
- Paige Patterson

Dr. Jeff Myers, speaking at the Conference for Texas Evangelists in 2003, quoted statistics and declared that approximately 50%t of regular SBC church attendees are lost. “We need to come to the harsh realization that we step into a mission field every time we meet in a church,” Meyers said. “We’re religious, but we’re lost.”

At Saturday, December 15, 2007 12:06:00 PM, Anonymous Bob said...


Rev. quoted from Patterson and Myers, but neither man knows the hearts of those in Baptist churches. Their statements are pure speculation, designed for an "effect." I would like to see either one walk up and down the aisles of a church and point out the ones who are supposedly unsaved and those who are supposedly saved. With a little help from Tom Ascol and Jim Eliff, how many cases do you suppose they would be "right" in their pointings?


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