Monday, July 02, 2007

Founders Fizzle While Florida Burns

In this article Brother Bob Ross once again demonstrates that the purpose of Founders Ministies (yes, they really believe what they are doing is a ministry) is to convert Christians to Hybrid Calvinism.



It appears that leaders at the Florida Baptist Convention headquarters in Jacksonville have spent a lot of money on a mail-out to Florida pastors which ostensibly opposes "Calvinism."

In response, now the "Founders Ministries," headed by Tom Ascol of Cape Coral, is going to raise and spend $20,000 to send out a DVD to the same pastors which is ostensibly designed to propagate "Calvinism" and expose "Arminianism."

All this while Florida burns -- both in sin and in the world to come -- if it does not hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Both of these parties give lip serve to believing the Great Commission to preach the Gospel to every creature is incumbent upon the churches, yet neither side seems to have any compunction of conscience against spending thousands of dollars to promote an old and bitter theological controversy which has been extant for hundreds of years and is still unresolved.

Not only so, but to further emphasize the utter futility of such a waste, even the materials which are being used by both parties do not properly represent the issues in involved. Both sides misrepresent historic, creedal Calvinism.

The Founders are using a DVD entitled "Amazing Grace," which presents a non-creedal pedobaptist view of "regeneration" or the new birth which alleges that sinners are "born again before faith." This is what we call "HYBRID CALVINISM," for it is a mixture of truth with error.

I do not know if any of my readers has the "Amazing Grace" 2-disc DVD, but I will nevertheless document for the readers the Hybrid Calvinist heresy of this unfortunate caricature of creedal "Calvinism."

On the DVD, disc #1, at 1:32:22, under the theme of "Born Again," the Narrator, Eric Holmberg, spins the Hybrid Calvinist Presbyterian palabber about being "born again before faith." This was expected since there are at least five "Baby Regenerationist" Presbyterians among the twelve men who appear on the DVD, in addition to Tom Nettles of Southern Baptist Seminary who also teaches this same error.

Holmberg says the following, in summation of his comments:
"Being born again is the first act of God's grace. It makes us new creatures in Christ, and as new creatures, we are no longer haters of God, no longer at enmity with God, . . . and as a result we repent and have faith in God and what He has done for us through the cross. BEING BORN AGAIN MUST OF NECESSITY PRECEDE FAITH."

Holberg therefore has the sinner as a "BORN AGAIN UNBELIEVER."

This is classic non-creedal HYBRID CALVINISM, as taught by "Baby Regenerationists" theologians such as Shedd in his Dogmatic Theology, by Berkhof's Systematic Theology, by R. C. Sproul, by "Reformed Baptist" James White, by Tom Ascol's "Founders" website, by Tom Nettles at Southern Seminary, by Iain Murray of the Banner of Truth, and by others who have been deluded by this travesty of Creedal Calvinism on the New Birth.

This heresy was originally hatched in the post-Reformation nest of the "Baby Regenerationist" Presbyterians who teach that "covenant" infants born to believers are "regenerated" either before birth or shortly thereafter, LONG BEFORE they are believers in Christ.

Evidently, Tom Ascol wants to make BaptoPresbyterians out of Florida Baptist preachers!

This is the modern distortion of Creedal Calvinism on "Effectual Calling" wherewith Tom Ascol wants to waste $20,000 to propagandize the Pastors in the Florida Baptist Convention as if this is "Calvinism."

This is more grotesque than the "chads" ordeal in Florida in the last presidential election. $20,000 wasted to promote Hybrid Calvinism!

If a Florida pastor swallows this heresy, he will soon probably stop giving a public invitation, his evangelistic emphasis will be retarded, professions of faith and baptisms will decline (apparently much to Ascol's delight), and perhaps even a church split will develop. At least, this is the usual "pattern" when a preacher adopts and starts preaching Hybrid Calvinism. I have seen it happen for over 50 years.


A few years ago, we selected 35 sermons by Spurgeon, all of which were on the Gospel. We called it, "The Gospel According to C. H. Spurgeon."
>< [The book is also available in Spanish].

We had the financial assistance of several contributors for this project in which as many copies as possible were donated to Seminary and Bible school graduates. Hundreds of copies went to the graduates of Southern Baptist seminaries, and hundreds went to graduates in other schools. We believed it would be a wonderful tool to assist these young graduates to get the best possible grip on how to present the Gospel of Christ. No one did it better than Spurgeon.

Don't you think that a better way for Tom Ascol to spend $20, 000 would be to send this book, or Spurgeon's "The Soul Winner" book, to the Pastors in the Florida Baptist Convention?

I believe either of these two books would do more to assist pastors in their ministries in evangelizing the "elect" in Florida than the DVD, featuring Holmberg, Tom Nettles and the Presbyterian "Baby Regenerationists," who advocate the "born again before faith" Hybrid Calvinism.

After all, preachers are first and foremost commissioned by the Lord to "preach the Gospel," not the theological phantasmagoria of Hybrid Calvinism.


At Monday, July 02, 2007 10:55:00 PM, Blogger Rev. said...

I agree with your sentiment that the money could/should be used for missions and evangelism and the advance of the gospel. However, what I find troubling is your incessant name calling of fellow believers in Christ. In addition to this, I wonder if you have spoken to some of the individuals about how much money they *have* spent for the sake of the gospel's advance?

You may also want to lay off the Presbyterians, speaking so ill of their paedobaptism, in light of statements such as the following:

"I do not view [positively] the huge number of child baptisms that Baptists are now guilty of--Baptists are some of the worst paedo-baptizers there are."
- Paige Patterson

At Tuesday, July 03, 2007 11:40:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


rev. said:

You may also want to lay off the Presbyterians, speaking so ill of their paedobaptism, in light of statements such as the following:

"I do not view [positively] the huge number of child baptisms that Baptists are now guilty of--Baptists are some of the worst paedo-baptizers there are."
- Paige Patterson

Not a chance!

There is an old adage that "one wrong does not make another wrong right," -- right?

If modern Baptists are "guilty" of baptizing "too young," that does not justify the Presbyterian heresy that their children are for all practical purpose "born" Christians. Some of them even believe that their children get "regenerated" before they are born!

By the way, I don't accept the indictment that either Charles or I "call names" in any sense other than identifying those who are responsible for certain doctrines which find to be unscriptural.

Furthermore, if we did not call the names of these men, then most readers would probably not know who the men are who teach such unscriptural doctrines.

At Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:14:00 PM, Blogger Charles said...

NOTE: This comment was posted by "Rev." I was unable to get it to post except by coping it and posting it under my name.

Sorry for the technical glitch.

rev. said...

Bob:You and Charles may not accept the indictment ... Bob:

You and Charles may not accept the indictment that you "call names," but for you to say that you are merely "identifying" others is fairly ridiculous in light of the often bombastic language you employ. Is it not possible to point out that certain men teach certain things - things with which you disagree strongly because you view them as unscriptural - with some tone of humility? Or, to put it another way, "one wrong does not make another wrong right," -- right?

I would find it difficult to throw around the accusation of heresy so quickly at paedobaptists, considering that some of the greatest "creedal Calvinists" (which you seem to imply you are in many of your posts) were paedobaptists. Jonathan Edwards and George Whitefield, for example. I may disagree with their view on baptism, or some of their other views for that matter, but I would dare not call such servants of God heretics.

While you replied to one issue I raised, you failed to answer the question I raised regarding any attempts to speak with the gentlemen in Florida regarding the investments they have made for the sake of the gospel's advance. Care to reply?


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